1 00:00:10,890 --> 00:00:12,330 PROFESSOR: So now let's synthesize 2 00:00:12,330 --> 00:00:17,670 all of our models of aerosol generation and dynamics 3 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:22,170 in a well-mixed indoor space and epidemiological models 4 00:00:22,170 --> 00:00:25,920 of spreading and transfer of disease in that space 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,970 and formulate a safety guideline for COVID-19 6 00:00:29,970 --> 00:00:32,610 assuming indoor airborne transmission 7 00:00:32,610 --> 00:00:34,630 in a well-mixed room. 8 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:37,620 And so there's a number of ways we could go about this. 9 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:39,960 And the approach that I would like to propose 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,010 is that we require that the indoor reproductive number is 11 00:00:44,010 --> 00:00:45,540 less than some tolerance. 12 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:49,640 So this epsilon here is the tolerance. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,970 So typically something might be a lot less 14 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:56,270 than 1 or maybe you get to allow it to be closer to 1. 15 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:58,700 And so that is essentially the probability 16 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:04,069 of a transmission from one infector that 17 00:01:04,069 --> 00:01:16,010 enters the room at t equals 0 and stays for a time 18 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:20,830 tau in the presence of a total number of n people 19 00:01:20,830 --> 00:01:23,530 in the room, which is the occupancy of the room. 20 00:01:23,530 --> 00:01:25,360 So obviously, this doesn't handle 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,770 every possible situation. 22 00:01:26,770 --> 00:01:29,590 It is possible, if there is a very prevalent infection 23 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:32,170 rate in the community that the room may 24 00:01:32,170 --> 00:01:35,330 find several infectors entering at once, in which case, 25 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:37,270 we could certainly increase this number. 26 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:40,750 And then the 1 here would be replaced by i0 27 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:42,940 as we've seen before. 28 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:46,090 On the other hand, if you're interested in controlling 29 00:01:46,090 --> 00:01:48,250 the spread of the disease and you're not 30 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:50,800 worried about a specific person, but you just want to say, 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,729 I would like to make this room not contribute 32 00:01:53,729 --> 00:01:54,940 to spreading of the disease-- 33 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:57,100 and imagine if everybody did that, 34 00:01:57,100 --> 00:01:59,479 then no rooms would contribute to spreading the disease-- 35 00:01:59,479 --> 00:02:03,070 so then this criteria would say that if two infectors came, 36 00:02:03,070 --> 00:02:05,660 they might infect two people, or three infectors, 37 00:02:05,660 --> 00:02:07,080 you're worried about three people. 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Well we want to make sure is that the number of infectors 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,930 is not growing. 40 00:02:10,930 --> 00:02:12,730 So in other words, if there's one infector, 41 00:02:12,730 --> 00:02:15,250 they don't infect another one. 42 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:16,960 So the fact that there are more infectors 43 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,150 gives a chance of at least some infection, 44 00:02:19,150 --> 00:02:24,700 but this seems like a more general and simpler criterion. 45 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:28,600 It's also a little bit like when the fire department 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,790 looks at a room and decides on occupancy 47 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:33,070 limit for an indoor space. 48 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:34,730 There's no fire going on. 49 00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:38,110 They're not estimating what's the probability of a fire. 50 00:02:38,110 --> 00:02:40,060 It's a conditional probability. 51 00:02:40,060 --> 00:02:42,010 They're saying, if there's a fire, 52 00:02:42,010 --> 00:02:44,360 we want to make sure these people can get out. 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,540 And so they think about where the fire might start, 54 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:48,670 where the smoke is, where are exits, 55 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:50,410 and how many people can realistically 56 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:53,140 get out of that room before the fire and the smoke 57 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:55,160 reach a dangerous level. 58 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,450 So this indoor safety guideline has a similar flavor, 59 00:02:58,450 --> 00:03:01,780 where we're essentially defining here the number of people 60 00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:05,690 and also the amount of occupancy time that would be allowable. 61 00:03:05,690 --> 00:03:07,870 So that it'd be unlikely for one infector 62 00:03:07,870 --> 00:03:12,260 to create a new infection and hence spread the disease. 63 00:03:12,260 --> 00:03:13,850 So that is the basic thinking. 64 00:03:13,850 --> 00:03:25,100 So this it's basically the conditional probability 65 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:34,760 of spreading given this, that an infector enters at times 0 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,630 and stays for a time t. 67 00:03:36,630 --> 00:03:42,010 So that's basically how we formulate the guideline. 68 00:03:42,010 --> 00:03:43,700 And now let's think about-- 69 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:45,250 already at this level without getting 70 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:49,150 into the details of what goes into beta, which we've already 71 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:52,310 talked about, there's a very important concept here, 72 00:03:52,310 --> 00:03:57,940 which is that if I define beta with brackets here to be 73 00:03:57,940 --> 00:04:01,730 the average transmission rate. 74 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:04,570 So the transmission rate may be changing in time, 75 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:06,760 for example, as droplets are building up in the room 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,970 as we've discussed. 77 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:11,240 But let's just think of kind of an average transmission rate. 78 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,430 Then this integral in time is just beta brackets, 79 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:17,529 beta average times tau. 80 00:04:17,529 --> 00:04:19,750 So if I put the beta bracket on the other side, 81 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:22,010 I arrive at a very fundamental result, 82 00:04:22,010 --> 00:04:24,740 which is that the number of susceptibles in the room, 83 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:26,730 which is roughly the occupancy-- 84 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:28,360 although, if you're very low occupancy, 85 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,690 it's everybody but the infected person, so it's n minus 1-- 86 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:36,490 times the typical time spent in the room by the infected person 87 00:04:36,490 --> 00:04:38,590 is less than the tolerance divided 88 00:04:38,590 --> 00:04:40,090 by the average transmission rate. 89 00:04:44,330 --> 00:04:45,980 This is very simple and very general 90 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:50,300 relationship, which does not depend on the details of beta. 91 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:52,640 But what it's telling you is something which already you 92 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,610 may recognize is very different than any 93 00:04:55,610 --> 00:04:58,270 of the existing official safety guidelines. 94 00:04:58,270 --> 00:05:02,460 Official safety guidelines always limit one quantity. 95 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:07,620 For example, they might limit the number of people in a room. 96 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:11,710 They also can get a limit such as that from social distancing. 97 00:05:11,710 --> 00:05:13,700 So you could take the area of the room, divide 98 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:16,550 by a little six foot radius around each person-- 99 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:19,550 or a three foot radius or a six foot 100 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:21,740 separation-- and get at an occupancy. 101 00:05:21,740 --> 00:05:23,720 So you fix n. 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,690 The problem with that is that time has to play a role. 103 00:05:26,690 --> 00:05:28,070 If a certain number of people are 104 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:31,370 in a room for a very short time, it's really unlikely 105 00:05:31,370 --> 00:05:32,600 to have any transmission. 106 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,970 But if the same number stays for a very long time, 107 00:05:34,970 --> 00:05:37,050 eventually some transmission must take place. 108 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:38,860 So time has to be important. 109 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:41,930 You will also find limits on time. 110 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:44,659 The CDC defines a contact where transmission 111 00:05:44,659 --> 00:05:48,170 is possible as being within six feet of an infectious person 112 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:49,550 for more than 15 minutes. 113 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,050 So there is a time constraint there. 114 00:05:51,050 --> 00:05:52,890 So it says that after 15 minutes, 115 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:56,090 you should expect to be potentially infected. 116 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:57,680 But the problem is that that's not 117 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,000 accounting for transmission rate factors, such as ventilation 118 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,920 and all the things that we've discussed, 119 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,240 and also the occupancy. 120 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,680 So how many people could you transmit it to? 121 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,210 If you're by yourself in a room or there's 122 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:10,160 only two or three people in a very large space, 123 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,170 are you really going to transmit in 15 minutes? 124 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:14,090 Not necessarily. 125 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:16,040 And anyway, so that is the problem 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,040 with those kinds of criteria. 127 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,370 And it can be easily seen by plotting this relationship 128 00:06:22,370 --> 00:06:22,870 here. 129 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,870 So by the way, this quantity here, 130 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:34,680 which is the product of n and t, or n minus one and t, 131 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:42,500 is what I like to call the cumulative you exposure time. 132 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:49,190 So the time that you're exposed to the infected individual, 133 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:53,659 tau, is multiplied by how many other people are in the room 134 00:06:53,659 --> 00:06:56,760 because that's how many people could get infected. 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,990 So the more people that there are, the more chance that one 136 00:06:59,990 --> 00:07:02,800 of them could be infected in a well-mixed room. 137 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,760 And so you really don't have a bound just on time. 138 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,020 It's really this product that's important. 139 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:09,210 And so let's plot what this looks like now. 140 00:07:09,210 --> 00:07:14,900 So if we have here the time and here the occupancy, 141 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:20,770 then this guideline is a bound that looks like this. 142 00:07:20,770 --> 00:07:22,770 It saturates at one. 143 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,280 So basically, if you're below this guideline here, 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,330 you're considered safe. 145 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,070 And up here is potentially unsafe. 146 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:42,770 Meaning that given the tolerance that you've chosen, 147 00:07:42,770 --> 00:07:44,150 you would expect that there could 148 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:47,460 be a transmission with greater than that probability. 149 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:48,850 OK. 150 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:51,470 It saturates at one because it will never go below one. 151 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:53,350 Because only one person, you're not 152 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:54,760 going to transmit to anybody. 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,140 So it's OK. 154 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:58,760 So an occupancy of one is OK, except in a building 155 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,640 where perhaps other people have come and gone 156 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,800 from that room or ventilation is bringing particles 157 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,510 from other rooms. 158 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:04,670 And we'll come back to that. 159 00:08:04,670 --> 00:08:06,850 But just at the simple level of analyzing one room, 160 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:09,130 obviously one is fine. 161 00:08:09,130 --> 00:08:11,500 And here you see a very fundamental problem 162 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:13,930 that I was just alluding to, which 163 00:08:13,930 --> 00:08:18,250 is that if I put the standard guidelines on-- for example, 164 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:21,740 a limit on number of people. 165 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:26,100 So this could be fixed occupancy. 166 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:36,179 And in fact, in Massachusetts, for example, right now 167 00:08:36,179 --> 00:08:39,350 there is a guideline which says n is less than 25. 168 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:42,870 No more than 25 persons can congregate in a room. 169 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:45,020 In fact, I'm teaching class right now which 170 00:08:45,020 --> 00:08:48,420 we have 51 people, and I was able to split into two rooms. 171 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:50,170 And then this rule came along, and then we 172 00:08:50,170 --> 00:08:53,000 had to start doing three, remotely broadcasting 173 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,150 between those rooms because we have a 25 person rule. 174 00:08:56,150 --> 00:08:58,820 The problem with that rule is it doesn't take into account time. 175 00:08:58,820 --> 00:09:00,920 What if my class is only five minutes long? 176 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,290 Or let's say it's one-hour long, OK. 177 00:09:03,290 --> 00:09:06,680 In that time, if I don't have an expectation transmission, 178 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:07,370 I should be OK. 179 00:09:07,370 --> 00:09:08,910 On the other hand, if those 20 people 180 00:09:08,910 --> 00:09:11,050 sit in the classroom for several weeks, 181 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:13,550 it's pretty likely that if an infected person is among them, 182 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:14,750 there will be a transmission. 183 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:16,280 So time has to come in. 184 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,840 And that you see very clearly here 185 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,780 from the crossing of the fixed occupancy with the safety 186 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:22,660 guideline. 187 00:09:29,490 --> 00:09:33,790 So for a short amount of time, the fixed occupancy, 188 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:36,030 which is telling you should be under this-- 189 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:38,790 so basically you should only have a lower occupancy. 190 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:41,790 So this is a fixed occupancy bound. 191 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:44,400 For example, the one in Massachusetts. 192 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,250 At first, this is too conservative. 193 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:53,600 So you are telling people they cannot be in the space, 194 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,310 but until this amount of time has passed, 195 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:57,950 it's very unlikely that anybody would transmit. 196 00:09:57,950 --> 00:09:59,290 Imagine this time as one minute. 197 00:09:59,290 --> 00:10:01,880 It's pretty unlikely that you're going to have a transmission. 198 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,500 On the other hand, if you keep waiting, 199 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:05,780 you always cross the yellow line. 200 00:10:05,780 --> 00:10:12,550 And over here it's too risky and too dangerous, basically. 201 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:14,390 Because you're allowing people to think that 202 00:10:14,390 --> 00:10:16,250 they're safe because there's only 25. 203 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:19,280 But let's say this crossover happens after one hour, 204 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,200 and the people are in the room for five hours, 205 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,570 there's a very high risk of transmission. 206 00:10:23,570 --> 00:10:25,910 So just putting out a number like 25 207 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:28,370 doesn't really protect you because these lines always 208 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:29,360 cross. 209 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,120 You will always cross the safety guideline at a certain time. 210 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,660 That's the safe time. 211 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:35,510 OK. 212 00:10:35,510 --> 00:10:38,030 Similarly, so basically-- so let me just kind of stress that 213 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:38,530 here. 214 00:10:38,530 --> 00:10:42,360 So this is basically, what we're really concerned is this. 215 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,370 We're very concerned about situations 216 00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:47,460 where a guideline is giving people the sense of protection, 217 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:50,290 and in fact they're at high-risk. 218 00:10:50,290 --> 00:10:52,510 We're also concerned about this case here. 219 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:55,070 Because for example, as in the case of my class, 220 00:10:55,070 --> 00:10:57,670 we might be causing some damage to people's education 221 00:10:57,670 --> 00:10:59,890 or to their businesses or to the economy 222 00:10:59,890 --> 00:11:03,160 by shutting down a certain space or imposing a limit that 223 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,500 doesn't have really a strong scientific basis because we 224 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:06,950 don't expect transmission to happen 225 00:11:06,950 --> 00:11:08,180 under those circumstances. 226 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:09,430 So we're concerned about both. 227 00:11:09,430 --> 00:11:12,010 But I'm particularly concerned about the overly risky case 228 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:14,740 because that is contributing to transmission of the disease, 229 00:11:14,740 --> 00:11:18,120 and potentially loss of life. 230 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,750 Now, if we look in the other direction, 231 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:22,150 we have the same kind of issue. 232 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:25,250 So if we have a time limit-- for example, let's say here. 233 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:29,940 You know, this could be like this. 234 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:34,390 So this would be a fixed time. 235 00:11:34,390 --> 00:11:39,630 For example, 15 minutes from the CDC 236 00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:41,260 is the time they recommend for contact. 237 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:43,020 So that's a pretty short time. 238 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:45,360 OK, and what a guideline like that says 239 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,430 is that if you're in the presence 240 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:48,600 of an infected person-- 241 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,780 sufficiently close-- for 15 minutes, then here you're safe, 242 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:56,210 but over here you're unsafe. 243 00:11:56,210 --> 00:11:57,840 But again, you have the same phenomena. 244 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,830 Now, 15 minutes is a pretty short time, 245 00:11:59,830 --> 00:12:02,490 so that's typically going to be safe. 246 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:05,250 But again, in this region it's too conservative. 247 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:08,520 So the blue here is still too conservative. 248 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,060 But now, when you get up here, even the 15-minute rule 249 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:14,080 eventually becomes unsafe. 250 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,380 Because if there's a very large amount people in a room 251 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:18,480 and they also can interact with each other through well-mixed 252 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,360 space-- 253 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,660 so I'm not talking about a really, really big room. 254 00:12:21,660 --> 00:12:23,520 I'm talking about a small enough room 255 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,910 that you could expect air to be transmitted between the people 256 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:28,020 in that space-- 257 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:29,670 then if I keep increasing occupancy, 258 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:30,920 again I cross that line. 259 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,850 There's always a crossing. 260 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:36,360 So you cannot have a guideline only based on time or only 261 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,680 based on occupancy. 262 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,480 If you think of this limit-- for example, 263 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,500 how about we take for the 15-minute rule, 264 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:48,630 what if I put 15 people or maybe 20 people into a small tent-- 265 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:50,070 just let's say a little bit bigger 266 00:12:50,070 --> 00:12:51,480 in the size of this board-- 267 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,580 and everybody's standing close together. 268 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:56,190 We might pass the infection in much less time than 15 minutes 269 00:12:56,190 --> 00:12:57,940 because we have a chance to infect each other, 270 00:12:57,940 --> 00:13:00,140 and if I keep going up, I'm going to cross that line. 271 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:03,280 And the tent also has a very small volume, poor ventilation, 272 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,520 and this yellow curve is very low. 273 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,820 OK, so this concept of the cumulative exposure time 274 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:11,010 is really important to understand 275 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:12,240 because it's very general. 276 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,320 It really isn't so tied to the details of the model. 277 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,830 And it just shows you that any bound 278 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:19,980 on one parameter such as occupancy, time, 279 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:22,680 and I should mention also social distance. 280 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:28,280 Because that's the big one which is happening right now. 281 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,380 Social distance guidelines-- so this 282 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:35,860 would be that the distance, d, is greater than six feet. 283 00:13:35,860 --> 00:13:38,540 And that's a CDC guideline in the United States. 284 00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:43,360 It can be greater than one meter, which is 3 feet, 285 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,770 and that's from the World Health Organization. 286 00:13:45,770 --> 00:13:47,780 So about half the distance. 287 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:49,820 That leads to a guideline where there's still 288 00:13:49,820 --> 00:13:57,680 a maximum occupancy, which is the area of the room divided 289 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,920 by d squared, or by some other factor depending 290 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,840 how you think people are going to be arranged. 291 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,550 But basically, you go into the room, you map out that spacing, 292 00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:09,320 and you arrive at a fixed occupancy. 293 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,090 This is being done everywhere, including 294 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:12,890 here at MIT right now. 295 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:15,860 And that still leads to fixed occupancy. 296 00:14:15,860 --> 00:14:17,420 So regardless of how it was derived, 297 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:18,810 you still have a fixed occupancy, 298 00:14:18,810 --> 00:14:20,690 which is too conservative at first, 299 00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:23,160 and eventually is too risky. 300 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,070 And you must know where is that crossover 301 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:28,900 point because occupancy and time are linked.