1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,944 [SQUEAKING] 2 00:00:01,944 --> 00:00:04,374 [RUSTLING] 3 00:00:04,374 --> 00:00:10,402 [CLICKING] 4 00:00:10,402 --> 00:00:11,860 JONATHAN GRUBER: Today, we're going 5 00:00:11,860 --> 00:00:15,730 to finish our discussion of savings, 6 00:00:15,730 --> 00:00:18,070 continue my nagging on you guys about how 7 00:00:18,070 --> 00:00:19,570 you should be saving money. 8 00:00:19,570 --> 00:00:21,237 And then we're going to move on and talk 9 00:00:21,237 --> 00:00:22,480 about international trade. 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,230 So let's finish our discussion of savings. 11 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:31,970 Now, savings turns out to be a critically important element 12 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:33,720 of growth in the economy. 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,310 And we've now traced through why that happens. 14 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:42,780 Our basic story is as savings goes up, 15 00:00:42,780 --> 00:00:47,870 that means that the capital supply shifts out. 16 00:00:52,770 --> 00:00:54,800 So the capital supply curve shifts 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,273 outward as people save more. 18 00:00:57,273 --> 00:00:58,940 That's an increase in the capital supply 19 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:00,900 curve in the capital markets. 20 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:05,590 That means that interest rates fall. 21 00:01:05,590 --> 00:01:07,870 Because there's more supply for given demand, 22 00:01:07,870 --> 00:01:09,550 the price is going to fall. 23 00:01:09,550 --> 00:01:12,280 The price of capital is the interest rate. 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,645 So as people save more, that's more supply 25 00:01:14,645 --> 00:01:15,790 into capital markets. 26 00:01:15,790 --> 00:01:19,510 It's increasing the pool from which firms have to borrow. 27 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:21,580 For a given pool, firms have to pay less money 28 00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:23,560 to borrow from that. 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,050 If the interest rate goes down, that means 30 00:01:26,050 --> 00:01:31,510 the NPV of investment goes up, because remember, 31 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:34,240 the net present value of investments 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,350 is a negative function of the interest rate. 33 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:37,750 The lower the interest rate, the more firms 34 00:01:37,750 --> 00:01:40,333 will say I might as well buy a new machine, because the bank's 35 00:01:40,333 --> 00:01:42,160 not paying anything. 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,450 That means that NPV investment goes up, 37 00:01:44,450 --> 00:01:46,770 which means investment goes up. 38 00:01:50,850 --> 00:01:52,760 So the bottom line is, the way we 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,670 get firms to invest more and grow 40 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:58,940 the economy is by saving more. 41 00:01:58,940 --> 00:02:00,140 We save more. 42 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:02,150 We increase capital supply. 43 00:02:02,150 --> 00:02:04,190 That lowers the interest rate. 44 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:06,930 That raises the NPV of investment, 45 00:02:06,930 --> 00:02:08,759 which leads to more investment. 46 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,440 So that's the link by which savings lead economic growth, 47 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,430 is that savings leads firms to invest more. 48 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:18,740 Is that clear from the sort of structure 49 00:02:18,740 --> 00:02:20,815 we built in the last couple lectures? 50 00:02:20,815 --> 00:02:22,190 If it's not, just go back through 51 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:23,510 and work through the math. 52 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:25,718 But you'll see we talked about the capital market. 53 00:02:25,718 --> 00:02:28,010 The interest rates, the price, and the capital market-- 54 00:02:28,010 --> 00:02:31,845 last time we talked about the lower the interest rate, 55 00:02:31,845 --> 00:02:34,220 the higher the net present value of any given investment. 56 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:36,440 That means firms will invest more. 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,680 So that means a critical public policy concern is 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,030 getting people to save enough. 59 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:45,590 Now, obviously, that varies with economic conditions. 60 00:02:45,590 --> 00:02:48,260 In a deep recession, we don't naturally want as much savings 61 00:02:48,260 --> 00:02:49,670 as when we're not in recession. 62 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:53,630 But in general, in the long run, we will grow more as an economy 63 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:56,150 if we save more as a society. 64 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:58,107 And the US has an incredible low savings rate. 65 00:02:58,107 --> 00:03:00,440 Our savings rate in the US, depending how you define it, 66 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,300 is maybe 3% to 5%. 67 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:07,520 In Europe, in Japan, it's like 15-plus percent. 68 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,160 So we have a very low savings rate. 69 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,120 And as a result, that has led public policymakers 70 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,260 to try to think about tools they can use to encourage savings. 71 00:03:18,260 --> 00:03:20,420 And the major tool we use in public policy 72 00:03:20,420 --> 00:03:26,840 to encourage savings is the tax subsidy to retirement savings. 73 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:35,930 The tax subsidy to retirement savings 74 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:39,830 is the major tool that we use to increase savings in the US. 75 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:45,500 Now, how does this work? 76 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,000 The basic logic is the following-- 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,620 When I put my money in the bank and I earn interest, 78 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,360 that interest gets taxed. 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,250 Just like my labor supply gets taxed, 80 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:58,280 my capital income gets taxed. 81 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,190 So when I put money in the bank, I don't just 82 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:02,390 earn the interest rate. 83 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:05,360 We'll use our-- we don't care about real interest rate. 84 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,810 [INAUDIBLE] earn interest rate. 85 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:11,010 I earn r times 1 minus tau, where tau is the tax rate. 86 00:04:11,010 --> 00:04:12,350 That's all I take home. 87 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:14,100 So the bank pays me 10%. 88 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:16,100 Say inflation is zero, so nominal interest rates 89 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:17,029 are the same. 90 00:04:17,029 --> 00:04:20,420 If the bank pays me 10% and my tax rate's 50%, 91 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:24,810 I only take home 5% on that. 92 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:27,270 If we assume substitution effects dominate-- 93 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:31,140 which is a big assumption, but typically one we make-- 94 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:35,310 this means the taxation, by lowering the return to savings, 95 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:37,710 will lead to less savings. 96 00:04:37,710 --> 00:04:41,910 So by taxing people's savings, we lead to less of it, 97 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:46,310 because we sort of assume substitution effects dominate. 98 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:50,450 To offset this, we say, well, I'll tell you what-- 99 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:55,280 if you save for retirement, we won't tax it. 100 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,490 So if you save it, and you pull it out next year, 101 00:04:57,490 --> 00:04:59,230 we're going to tax it, but if you put it 102 00:04:59,230 --> 00:05:03,250 in special accounts which we've labeled as retirement savings, 103 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:05,590 we won't tax it. 104 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:07,660 So these have a number of forms. 105 00:05:07,660 --> 00:05:10,660 One form is employer sponsored pensions. 106 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:12,160 These are things where your employer 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,280 takes some of your pay, puts it aside in an account. 108 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:19,870 And when he does that, you're not taxed on that pay. 109 00:05:19,870 --> 00:05:22,670 So if MIT is going to pay me $100,000, 110 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:25,130 and they pull $10,000 aside and put it in a pension, 111 00:05:25,130 --> 00:05:26,780 I'm only taxed on $90,000. 112 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:28,710 That $10,000 isn't taxed. 113 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:30,710 And likewise, the interest that's earned on that 114 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:32,870 isn't taxed. 115 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:36,720 There's also 401(k)s. 116 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,850 A 401(k) is like a pension, but where you control the money. 117 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:43,280 So when you get a job, you might get offered a 401(k). 118 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,140 That's something where some of your money 119 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:46,670 gets pulled out of your salary. 120 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:49,010 It doesn't get taxed, and it gets saved instead, 121 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:52,670 and you control where it goes. 122 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:56,530 And then we also have individual retirement accounts, 123 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:58,562 with the unfortunate name IRA. 124 00:05:58,562 --> 00:06:00,020 It's not the Irish Republican Army, 125 00:06:00,020 --> 00:06:03,650 but individual retirement accounts, which are similar 126 00:06:03,650 --> 00:06:05,630 features, where you could take your money 127 00:06:05,630 --> 00:06:07,190 and save it on a tax-free basis. 128 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,730 Now here's the trick about how all these things work, is 129 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:15,770 they're not actually tax free. 130 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:16,945 They are tax deferred. 131 00:06:20,770 --> 00:06:22,940 And what do I mean by that? 132 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:26,920 What I mean by that is that when you take the money out 133 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,410 eventually, it does get taxed. 134 00:06:29,410 --> 00:06:31,620 So the way, say, your 401(k) would work-- 135 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:35,890 you get a job at whatever, Google. 136 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:38,110 Google offers you a 401(k). 137 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:40,240 You put money in it. 138 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,097 That money then accumulates. 139 00:06:42,097 --> 00:06:43,930 And when you take it out-- you put money in. 140 00:06:43,930 --> 00:06:45,932 That money is not taxed when you put it in, 141 00:06:45,932 --> 00:06:47,515 but when you take it out, it is taxed. 142 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:51,960 So it is eventually taxed. 143 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,003 So what good does that do you? 144 00:06:55,003 --> 00:06:56,670 What good does that do you if it's going 145 00:06:56,670 --> 00:06:58,190 to get taxed eventually anyway? 146 00:06:58,190 --> 00:06:58,690 Yeah. 147 00:06:58,690 --> 00:07:00,482 AUDIENCE: If you don't get taxed right now, 148 00:07:00,482 --> 00:07:03,170 you get more money now, which will then accumulate more money 149 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:04,692 through compound interest. 150 00:07:04,692 --> 00:07:05,650 JONATHAN GRUBER: Right. 151 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:07,242 It takes advantage of present value. 152 00:07:07,242 --> 00:07:08,950 Remember, we talked about this last time. 153 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:11,920 With present value, money in the future is worth less than money 154 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,850 today. 155 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:15,760 By that same logic, paying taxes in the future 156 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,715 costs you less than paying taxes today, 157 00:07:18,715 --> 00:07:19,840 because you have the money. 158 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,640 You can earn all this interest on it, 159 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,280 and you have to pay taxes on it off in the future. 160 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,350 So let's see an example of that. 161 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:29,400 Let's look at figure 18.1. 162 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,560 Let's say you have two types of accounts, a regular account, 163 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,100 or an IRA account, which is a tax-deferred account. 164 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:40,240 And let's say the tax rate is 25% 165 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,922 and the interest rate is 10%. 166 00:07:42,922 --> 00:07:45,130 And let's say you're just going to put the money in-- 167 00:07:45,130 --> 00:07:47,140 to make life easy, imagine put the money in for one year. 168 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:48,720 Imagine you're retiring next year. 169 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,390 This is a super easy example. 170 00:07:50,390 --> 00:07:51,570 You're retiring next year. 171 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:53,820 The question is, for this last year of work, 172 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:56,700 should you put your money in a tax-deferred account 173 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:59,800 or in a regular account? 174 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,240 If you put it in a regular account, 175 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,180 you will take your $100 of earnings to pay $25 of taxes 176 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:06,530 right away. 177 00:08:06,530 --> 00:08:10,420 You only get to put $75 in. 178 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:14,200 On that $75, you'll earn $7.50. 179 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,785 And when you take the $7.50 out, you'll pay $1.88 in taxes. 180 00:08:17,785 --> 00:08:19,690 So you pay $25 on your earnings. 181 00:08:19,690 --> 00:08:22,490 You pay another $1.88 on the interest you earned. 182 00:08:22,490 --> 00:08:26,150 And you end up with $80.62. 183 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:28,220 Now let's say instead, you set up an IRA. 184 00:08:28,220 --> 00:08:31,720 There, you get to put the whole $100 in. 185 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,630 That $100 earns $10. 186 00:08:34,630 --> 00:08:37,885 And when you take out $110, then you pay tax on it, 187 00:08:37,885 --> 00:08:41,039 so you pay $27.50, then, in the end. 188 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,570 But if you put it all together, you end up with more money-- 189 00:08:43,570 --> 00:08:47,470 $82.50 rather than $80.62. 190 00:08:47,470 --> 00:08:48,620 Why is that? 191 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:52,350 It's because you delayed paying taxes by a year. 192 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:55,828 By paying taxes one year later, you 193 00:08:55,828 --> 00:08:58,120 got to earn the interest on that money during the year. 194 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,970 Think of it this way-- if you pay taxes now, 195 00:08:59,970 --> 00:09:01,553 the government gets the money and they 196 00:09:01,553 --> 00:09:02,850 get to earn interest on it. 197 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:05,160 If you pay taxes next year, you keep the money 198 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,010 and you earn interest on it. 199 00:09:07,010 --> 00:09:09,008 So it's much better to pay taxes later, 200 00:09:09,008 --> 00:09:10,550 and that's why these accounts matter. 201 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:13,240 It's a simple example. 202 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,760 It's a simple example. 203 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,890 If you have a 30-year account, if we kept the interest 204 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:22,740 rate at 10% and the tax rate at 25%, 205 00:09:22,740 --> 00:09:25,380 and did a 30-year calculation, you 206 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:27,593 would have twice as much money after 30 years, 207 00:09:27,593 --> 00:09:29,510 if you put it in an IRA rather than putting it 208 00:09:29,510 --> 00:09:31,470 in a regular bank account. 209 00:09:31,470 --> 00:09:33,420 So even though it eventually gets taxed, 210 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:36,040 it's a big advantage. 211 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,760 It's a big advantage. 212 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,390 And that's why public policy introduced these tools-- 213 00:09:43,390 --> 00:09:47,080 401(k)s, pensions, IRAs-- because they're trying 214 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,130 to encourage saving by raising the return to saving. 215 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:53,960 And they hope that by encouraging saving, 216 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,580 they'll get all this good stuff coming out of it. 217 00:09:56,580 --> 00:10:00,860 So that's why these things come up. 218 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:05,490 So the first lesson is, just like my continued nag on you, 219 00:10:05,490 --> 00:10:07,880 is save early and save often. 220 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,190 Things like 401(k)s, by putting your money away, 221 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:12,273 not only do you get the compounding I talked about 222 00:10:12,273 --> 00:10:15,730 before, but you also get the tax benefit of paying taxes later 223 00:10:15,730 --> 00:10:17,140 rather than sooner. 224 00:10:17,140 --> 00:10:18,700 You get the compounding on the money 225 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,760 and the compounding on the taxes. 226 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,280 So these kinds of retirement accounts, when you get your job 227 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,260 and you're thinking about why would I worry about retirement, 228 00:10:26,260 --> 00:10:27,610 worry about retirement. 229 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:31,220 There's a big advantage. 230 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:32,960 Then you ask, that's fine, John, but when 231 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,050 I get my 401(k) paperwork, I've got like a million things 232 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:37,190 I could invest in. 233 00:10:37,190 --> 00:10:38,408 What I do with the money? 234 00:10:38,408 --> 00:10:39,950 So let's talk for a couple of minutes 235 00:10:39,950 --> 00:10:44,482 about investment strategy, about what you do with the money. 236 00:10:44,482 --> 00:10:46,190 So let's think about three different ways 237 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:50,120 you can invest your retirement money, three class of options 238 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,330 a 401(k) will typically have. 239 00:10:52,330 --> 00:11:02,840 They'll typically be a money market fund, a bond fund, 240 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,230 and a stock fund. 241 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:07,230 And there will be various combinations of these, 242 00:11:07,230 --> 00:11:08,580 but these are the categories. 243 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:09,990 What do these mean? 244 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:16,787 Money market means the money is invested in government bonds. 245 00:11:16,787 --> 00:11:18,870 The money is invested in what are called "Treasury 246 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:21,850 securities," government bonds. 247 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:26,320 These are things which are ultra safe, as long as the US doesn't 248 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,960 default on its debt, which we've never done in our history 249 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,860 and, the good Lord willing, won't do in the near term. 250 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:36,520 Because the US doesn't default on its debt, you get paid back. 251 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,240 These are super safe, the safest place you can put your money. 252 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,972 But they pay a very low interest rate. 253 00:11:42,972 --> 00:11:44,680 Right now, they're paying interest rates, 254 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,480 a typical government bond fund right now 255 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:52,270 would be paying interest rate of around maybe 2%, maybe 256 00:11:52,270 --> 00:11:53,840 1% to 2%-- 257 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,975 very low interest rate, maybe up to 3% 258 00:11:55,975 --> 00:12:00,820 now, but very, very low single digits, but totally safe. 259 00:12:00,820 --> 00:12:06,280 A bond fund invests your money in corporate bonds. 260 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,488 Basically, this is making loans to corporations. 261 00:12:09,488 --> 00:12:11,280 Instead of loaning money to the government, 262 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,053 you loan the money to a corporation. 263 00:12:14,053 --> 00:12:15,720 You're not actually buying a bond in GM. 264 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,810 That's too hard. 265 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:19,080 So what these 401(k) accounts do is they say, 266 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,580 we're going to buy a bunch of bonds. 267 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:22,288 We're going to put them together, and let 268 00:12:22,288 --> 00:12:24,490 you own a small piece of that entire set of bonds. 269 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:26,730 That's what a bond fund is. 270 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:29,770 So you own a small piece of bunch of corporate bonds. 271 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:31,550 The difference is, unlike the government, 272 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:34,920 corporations do go out of business all the time. 273 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,560 So these are riskier. 274 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:41,720 These are riskier, but they pay a higher interest rate. 275 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,150 Bond funds typically paying 4% to 5% right now. 276 00:12:46,405 --> 00:12:48,655 Then finally, the last thing you can do with the money 277 00:12:48,655 --> 00:12:50,260 is you can put in stocks. 278 00:12:50,260 --> 00:12:53,470 You could literally own corporate equity. 279 00:12:53,470 --> 00:12:56,740 You could own a piece of companies. 280 00:12:56,740 --> 00:12:59,490 You could own a piece of the companies, 281 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:03,070 and then what you get is you get something, 282 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:04,145 it doesn't really matter. 283 00:13:04,145 --> 00:13:05,520 With these two, it only matters-- 284 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,750 you get paid as long as the government or the company 285 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:09,120 doesn't go out of business. 286 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,670 Here you get paid in proportion to how well the company does. 287 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:15,150 If it does really well, you make a lot of money. 288 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:16,505 Stock prices go up. 289 00:13:16,505 --> 00:13:17,880 If it goes badly, you lose money. 290 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,325 It goes bankrupt, you lose everything. 291 00:13:20,325 --> 00:13:21,950 So similar to these, in the bankruptcy, 292 00:13:21,950 --> 00:13:22,970 it costs you everything. 293 00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:24,980 The difference is these, either you get paid 294 00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:25,910 or you go bankrupt. 295 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:27,890 Here, it's much more variable. 296 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,570 Things do well, you get more. 297 00:13:29,570 --> 00:13:31,140 Things go badly, you get less. 298 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:33,380 So this is the riskiest option of all, 299 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:36,930 but it also pays the highest rate of return. 300 00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:40,050 Traditionally, stock investments pay a long rate of return 301 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:43,498 about 7% a year. 302 00:13:43,498 --> 00:13:45,540 So what we see here when we compare these is what 303 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:51,950 economists call the "risk-return trade-off." 304 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,190 The riskier things are, the higher 305 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:05,610 you earn by investing in them, but the riskier 306 00:14:05,610 --> 00:14:06,360 that earnings is. 307 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,860 The more [INAUDIBLE] invest in them, 308 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:10,530 but the riskier that earnings is. 309 00:14:10,530 --> 00:14:14,190 That in other words, people are willing to accept a lower 310 00:14:14,190 --> 00:14:16,200 interest rate for a safe investment 311 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,570 than they want for a risky investment. 312 00:14:19,570 --> 00:14:22,780 And we'll talk about, in two lectures from now, 313 00:14:22,780 --> 00:14:25,035 why that is, why people's preferences are that way. 314 00:14:25,035 --> 00:14:27,160 It's because people are what we call "risk averse." 315 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,535 People don't like risk, and we'll 316 00:14:28,535 --> 00:14:32,720 talk about why that's a natural way to be. 317 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,740 So basically, that is your set of choices. 318 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:40,700 And what economists recommend is that the key 319 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:44,180 in all of these investments is to diversify. 320 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:45,860 The key recommendation of economists 321 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:54,180 is diversification, that you spread your money 322 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:56,910 across these options to get the right balance of risk 323 00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:59,860 and return. 324 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:04,693 So that basically, if you're someone who-- 325 00:15:04,693 --> 00:15:06,860 now, how you balance depends on your taste for risk. 326 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:08,277 For someone who really hates risk, 327 00:15:08,277 --> 00:15:09,910 you put most of your money here. 328 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:12,160 But it's silly to put all your money in money markets, 329 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,930 because you're losing a lot of return. 330 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:15,430 If you're someone who's risk loving, 331 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:17,380 you might want to put most of your money in stocks. 332 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,797 But still don't put all your money 333 00:15:18,797 --> 00:15:21,040 in stocks, because you have a much higher risk. 334 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,180 You want some safety behind you as well. 335 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:26,690 So an economist would say you should diversify. 336 00:15:26,690 --> 00:15:27,860 Now, that's a general. 337 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:31,213 I can't tell you what percentage is the right percentages. 338 00:15:31,213 --> 00:15:32,380 I can tell you to diversify. 339 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:36,180 But I can give you one specific piece of advice-- 340 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:38,890 that when you go work for Company X, 341 00:15:38,890 --> 00:15:41,530 the one thing you do not want to do 342 00:15:41,530 --> 00:15:44,850 is put your money in the stock of Company X. 343 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:47,590 Why is that? 344 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:49,090 Why is the last thing you want to do 345 00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:52,420 when you go to work for Company X to put a bunch of your money 346 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:54,580 in the stock of Company X? 347 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:55,192 Yeah. 348 00:15:55,192 --> 00:15:56,670 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 349 00:15:56,670 --> 00:15:58,570 JONATHAN GRUBER: No, this would be 350 00:15:58,570 --> 00:16:00,070 through a 401(k) [INAUDIBLE]. 351 00:16:00,070 --> 00:16:01,140 It wouldn't be like that. 352 00:16:01,140 --> 00:16:01,692 Yeah. 353 00:16:01,692 --> 00:16:04,498 AUDIENCE: If you lose your job, or if the company shuts down, 354 00:16:04,498 --> 00:16:06,250 you can lose both your job and the money. 355 00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:09,850 JONATHAN GRUBER: That is the maximally risky strategy, 356 00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:12,610 because you are tying your risk of your investments 357 00:16:12,610 --> 00:16:15,600 to your risk of your salary. 358 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,270 That's the most risky thing you can do. 359 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:22,210 So absolutely what you would not want to do 360 00:16:22,210 --> 00:16:23,710 is go work for Google and say, good, 361 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:26,010 I'm going to put all my retirement in Google stock. 362 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:28,480 You might think Googles safe, but safer companies 363 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,068 than Google-- 364 00:16:29,068 --> 00:16:31,360 companies thought to be safer than Google at some point 365 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,770 have gone bankrupt. 366 00:16:32,770 --> 00:16:35,770 Google is bankrupt, you're totally screwed. 367 00:16:35,770 --> 00:16:37,997 You've lost all your savings and your job, 368 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,580 so the last thing you want do is that. 369 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:41,606 Yeah. 370 00:16:41,606 --> 00:16:43,876 AUDIENCE: If you're in a more corporate position, 371 00:16:43,876 --> 00:16:46,022 and they gave you bonds as promises. 372 00:16:46,022 --> 00:16:48,480 JONATHAN GRUBER: Well, I mean, certainly a lot of companies 373 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,563 give you stock options, where you're sort of stuck 374 00:16:50,563 --> 00:16:51,870 in the stock of that company. 375 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:53,250 And my lesson there would be, that's 376 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:55,375 part of the conversation, but as soon as it's best, 377 00:16:55,375 --> 00:16:57,440 sell it and get out. 378 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,040 That doesn't mean you shouldn't-- 379 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,040 you should value-- it's not saying stock options 380 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,440 in the company are worthless. 381 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,440 They're worth something. 382 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,390 It's just they're worth less than if they just gave you 383 00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:06,930 the cash, because if you got the cash, 384 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:08,430 you'd go invest it in somewhere that 385 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:10,770 wouldn't be tied to your job. 386 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:13,829 And this came to a head with the example of Enron, which 387 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:15,589 is sort of before your time. 388 00:17:15,589 --> 00:17:17,069 That's sort of when you were young. 389 00:17:17,069 --> 00:17:20,460 But basically, Enron was an energy company 390 00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:23,490 that got into some really shady dealings 391 00:17:23,490 --> 00:17:26,194 to try to essentially prop up its stock price. 392 00:17:26,194 --> 00:17:28,319 To make itself look valuable it essentially created 393 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:31,410 shell companies that were the same company it sold to them. 394 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:33,535 So it looked like it was generating a lot of sales, 395 00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,280 but it was just selling to itself. 396 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,500 It was illegal activity. 397 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:40,140 But it caused their stock price to go through the roof. 398 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:43,195 And Enron, in order to have enough money in the company, 399 00:17:43,195 --> 00:17:45,570 encouraged their employees to invest all their retirement 400 00:17:45,570 --> 00:17:46,530 savings at Enron. 401 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:49,380 Indeed, the Enron 401(k) said, we'll 402 00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:50,950 give you extra money in your account 403 00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:53,083 if you invest your money in Enron. 404 00:17:53,083 --> 00:17:55,250 So most people at Enron had their retirement savings 405 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:56,600 invested in Enron. 406 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,750 When the whole thing-- and Enron was a very successful company, 407 00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:01,592 in the Fortune 500, doing quite well. 408 00:18:01,592 --> 00:18:03,800 When the whole thing collapsed, these people not only 409 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,470 lost their jobs, they lost their entire savings. 410 00:18:07,470 --> 00:18:09,900 That's the problem with non-diversification. 411 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,733 And the ultimate form of non-diversification 412 00:18:11,733 --> 00:18:14,640 is to invest in the company you're working for. 413 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,708 Have I scared you enough? 414 00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:17,750 Any questions about that? 415 00:18:20,348 --> 00:18:21,140 Now, let's move on. 416 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:22,970 That finishes our discussion of savings. 417 00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:25,250 Let's move on to a totally new topic, which 418 00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:27,990 we'll talk about this lecture and the rest of next lecture, 419 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:29,810 which is international trade. 420 00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:32,720 And let's start with what is international trade 421 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,928 and why the ruckus? 422 00:18:34,928 --> 00:18:36,470 This is the great time to be teaching 423 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:38,220 on international trade, probably the best, 424 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:40,943 most exciting time of any year I've ever taught this topic. 425 00:18:40,943 --> 00:18:42,860 It's front and center in a way it hasn't been, 426 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:45,990 probably, in decades. 427 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:49,220 So what's the big deal? 428 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,270 Let's talk about a simple example. 429 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:53,817 How many people have ever given someone roses 430 00:18:53,817 --> 00:18:54,650 for Valentine's Day? 431 00:18:57,170 --> 00:18:59,310 Raise your hands. 432 00:18:59,310 --> 00:19:05,800 MIT, man-- that's OK, when I was your age, I hadn't either. 433 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,260 Now, here's the interesting problem with Valentine's Day-- 434 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:11,090 Valentine's Day falls in the winter. 435 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:14,540 Roses don't grow outside in the cold in the winter. 436 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:15,500 So what do you do? 437 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:17,660 For many years, what we did was we 438 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:20,390 had hot houses where we grew-- 439 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:23,810 basically were dedicated, their reason for existing, 440 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:26,600 was essentially to grow Valentine's Day roses. 441 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,210 So it's an industry around growing these indoor roses 442 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:33,270 in the winter so that you could have them available. 443 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:35,250 But what happened over time is we realized 444 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:38,730 it was a lot cheaper to actually by the roses in Colombia 445 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:41,060 or countries like that, and fly them up, 446 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:43,690 than to actually have them grown here. 447 00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:45,960 So what happened was all the roses 448 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,220 we get now in the winter come from South America. 449 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:53,640 And we don't grow roses in America anymore in the winter. 450 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,700 So is that a good thing or a bad thing? 451 00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:59,220 Well, on the one hand, roses are a ton cheaper now than 452 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:02,087 when I was a kid. 453 00:20:02,087 --> 00:20:04,170 So that's a good thing for the romantics among us. 454 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:06,475 You can get a dozen roses for 25 bucks. 455 00:20:06,475 --> 00:20:08,600 It was like 80 bucks when I was a kid or something. 456 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,140 It was crazy. 457 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:12,640 On the other hand, a bunch of guys 458 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,040 who used to grow these roses are out of jobs. 459 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,370 There was an industry devoted to growing these roses 460 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:20,500 and these people now have no job, 461 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:23,190 because they're grown somewhere else. 462 00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:24,770 So how do we think about-- 463 00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:28,100 this trade-off is sort of a microcosm of the larger debate 464 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:30,290 around international trade. 465 00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:32,930 The larger debate about whether trade is good or bad 466 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:35,610 comes down to this rose example. 467 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:38,810 It sort of summarizes that issue. 468 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:40,810 So now, when we think about international trade, 469 00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:42,640 we think about three concepts. 470 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,730 We think about exports, which are 471 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:53,430 the amount of goods that we sell to other countries, 472 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:58,260 and imports, which are the amount of goods that we 473 00:20:58,260 --> 00:21:00,480 buy from other countries. 474 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,360 So a country exports to other countries. 475 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:05,330 It imports from other countries. 476 00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:12,280 Currently, the US exports about $1.6 trillion of goods a year. 477 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:18,320 That's trillion with a T. It imports about $2.4 trillion 478 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:27,800 of goods a year, leaving us with an $800 billion trade deficit. 479 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,930 You may have heard the President mention this once or twice-- 480 00:21:31,930 --> 00:21:36,080 an $800 billion trade deficit. 481 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,070 So the question you want to ask is, how big a problem is this 482 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:42,450 that we have a trade deficit? 483 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:46,290 And the answer economists give is none problem. 484 00:21:46,290 --> 00:21:46,790 No? 485 00:21:46,790 --> 00:21:47,960 No Spinal Tap fans here? 486 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,020 OK, whatever. 487 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:56,040 So basically, let's explain this in a simple example. 488 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,020 Imagine that you have two Pikachus 489 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:04,020 and your friend has two Jigglypuffs. 490 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:08,130 And you want to have a more diverse set of Pokemon, 491 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:10,620 so you go to your friend and you say, 492 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:14,970 I will trade you one Pikachu for one Jigglypuff. 493 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:17,040 So you send your friend a Pikachu. 494 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,120 He sends you a Jigglypuff. 495 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,190 You've just created a massive Pikachu deficit. 496 00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:25,650 Think about it-- you used to have two Pikachus. 497 00:22:25,650 --> 00:22:27,210 You sent one away. 498 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:28,530 You sent one away. 499 00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:31,170 You didn't get any Pikachus back, did you? 500 00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,230 So you've created a huge deficit of one Pikachu. 501 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:36,760 Is that bad? 502 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,788 No, you got a Jigglypuff. 503 00:22:38,788 --> 00:22:39,330 You're happy. 504 00:22:39,330 --> 00:22:40,538 You wanted to make the trade. 505 00:22:40,538 --> 00:22:42,310 You made the trade. 506 00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:44,268 Calling the trade deficit, define trade deficit 507 00:22:44,268 --> 00:22:46,018 in terms of-- if you define trade deficit, 508 00:22:46,018 --> 00:22:47,470 instead, in terms of Jigglypuffs, 509 00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:49,705 you've got a huge trade surplus. 510 00:22:49,705 --> 00:22:53,220 You used to get no Jigglypuffs, now you get one. 511 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,710 So basically, a trade deficit, trade surplus, 512 00:22:55,710 --> 00:22:57,480 is all about an arbitrary definition. 513 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,170 The bottom line is America then spends $800 billion more. 514 00:23:01,170 --> 00:23:03,360 You're sending money to other countries, 515 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,990 but we get $800 billion year more stuff for it. 516 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:08,730 There's no bad or good. 517 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:11,790 It's just the way trade works. 518 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:14,825 So any time you've had a trade in your life of anything, 519 00:23:14,825 --> 00:23:16,200 with a friend or whatever, you've 520 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,360 created a deficit and a surplus. 521 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,880 But that doesn't mean anyone is worse off or better off. 522 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,463 Whether you're worse off or better off 523 00:23:23,463 --> 00:23:27,400 depends on the indicators of the trade, depends on how much 524 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,360 each party values what's going on. 525 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,095 So basically, if I said, oh, good Lord, 526 00:23:34,095 --> 00:23:37,090 if I had a headline like, "Good Lord, Gruber Trades Pikachu 527 00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:42,420 Deficit, Must End Trade with Jigglypuff Land," 528 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:45,110 we must shut down trade, because good Lord, 529 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:50,040 we're creating this huge Pikachu deficit, that would be bad. 530 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,670 Because I wanted to trade my Pikachu for a Jigglypuff 531 00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:54,420 I was happier. 532 00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:59,370 That would be a bad thing to shut that off. 533 00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:02,060 And that, in a stupid example, is why economists 534 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:04,810 like international trade. 535 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,178 It's the same reason we like trade in general. 536 00:24:07,178 --> 00:24:08,470 Think about this whole course-- 537 00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:10,660 the whole course is a bit about trade. 538 00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:13,690 It's about trading our money for cookies and pizza, 539 00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:17,800 about trading a firm's money for workers and machines, 540 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,940 about trading my time for a wage. 541 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:22,403 Life is all about trades. 542 00:24:22,403 --> 00:24:24,570 International trade is just another example of that. 543 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:26,695 Just because it's got this bizarre label of a trade 544 00:24:26,695 --> 00:24:29,930 deficit, we think about it differently. 545 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:34,190 So that's sort of basically, if you think about-- now 546 00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:35,900 let's replace Pikachus and Jigglypuffs 547 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,920 with the US and a poor country. 548 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,170 Instead of US having two Pikachus, 549 00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:43,420 the US has tons of money. 550 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:45,940 Instead of the poor country having two Jigglypuffs, 551 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:49,720 the poor country has really underpaid workers who 552 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,803 can make stuff really cheaply. 553 00:24:52,803 --> 00:24:53,970 So I, in the US, say, wait-- 554 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:55,260 I have a lot of money. 555 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,970 You've got a lot of sweaters. 556 00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:59,840 I'm going to send you my money and get your sweaters. 557 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,640 I'm better off because I was happy to buy 558 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,878 those sweaters cheaply. 559 00:25:02,878 --> 00:25:04,920 You're better off because you can't eat sweaters. 560 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,400 You need money, so you get some of my money. 561 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,010 We're both better off, but I've created a trade deficit. 562 00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:15,650 That is not inherently a problem. 563 00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:19,500 Now of course, the reality is more complicated. 564 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,940 The reality is that when I send the money to those countries 565 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:25,190 to buy the sweaters, and I bring the sweaters in, 566 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:28,010 my consumers of sweaters are much happier. 567 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:31,010 And I keep focusing on sweaters because it's just amazing. 568 00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:35,150 This sweater I just got at Old Navy, $15. 569 00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:38,110 Pretty nice, decent, it's not cotton, whatever. 570 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:38,900 $15. 571 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,290 This would have been a fortune when I was your age. 572 00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,830 In those day's dollars, it would've been $30, 573 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:47,940 and that would be like $70 today. 574 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:48,600 Why? 575 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,130 China. 576 00:25:51,130 --> 00:25:54,340 Because we used these to make these in North Carolina, 577 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:57,630 now we make them in China. 578 00:25:57,630 --> 00:25:59,930 So the good news is, I went to Old Navy, 579 00:25:59,930 --> 00:26:04,700 I got two pairs of pants, and like four sweaters, like $100. 580 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,440 That's the good news. 581 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560 The bad news is the guys in North Carolina lost their jobs. 582 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,420 That's the bad news. 583 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:13,260 So there's a trade-off. 584 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:16,530 Now, I'm going to argue over the next lecture and a half 585 00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:18,928 that that trade-off is worth it in aggregate, 586 00:26:18,928 --> 00:26:20,970 but we can't ignore the fact there's a trade-off. 587 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,570 Because that's what leads to the very intense debates 588 00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:28,410 around international trade, is the fundamental tension 589 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:30,960 between the consumers of goods that 590 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,090 are made cheaper by international trade 591 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:34,980 and the producers of goods that get 592 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:38,010 wiped out by international trade. 593 00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:39,150 So that's our setup. 594 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:40,230 That's our big picture. 595 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:41,220 Now I'm going to dive in, and I'm 596 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:42,970 going to teach you the nitty gritty of how 597 00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:45,510 we think about this with models, but that's the big picture 598 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:46,780 I wanted you to have in mind. 599 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:48,030 So let's dive into the models. 600 00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:50,640 And to do the models, I need to introduce a new tool 601 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,910 to you, which is the Production Possibility 602 00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:57,400 Frontier, the PPF, the Production Possibility 603 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:57,900 Frontier. 604 00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:08,020 What the PPF shows you is the maximum combination of outputs 605 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:10,540 you can produce for any given set of inputs. 606 00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:16,658 So basically, let's think about that. 607 00:27:16,658 --> 00:27:18,200 Let's go to figure 18.2, because it's 608 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,820 easy to see this graphically. 609 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:24,460 Let's go to figure 18.2. 610 00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:27,400 Let's think of you as a firm. 611 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,330 And you as a firm produce two things-- 612 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:34,210 problem set points and exam points. 613 00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:36,250 Sorry, it's all you're good for at MIT here. 614 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:38,920 You produce problem set points and exam points, 615 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,540 but you can produce either. 616 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:42,670 Those are the two things you produce. 617 00:27:42,670 --> 00:27:46,300 And to make life easy, let's say given your innate intelligence, 618 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:48,587 the points are produced as a function of time. 619 00:27:48,587 --> 00:27:50,920 Literally the more time you put in studying for an exam, 620 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,503 the better you do, the more time you spend on the problem set, 621 00:27:53,503 --> 00:27:54,660 the better you do. 622 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:57,920 And you have one scarce input, which is time. 623 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,450 This production possibility frontier 624 00:27:59,450 --> 00:28:01,340 tells you if you devote your scarce input 625 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:03,980 across different activities, what will the result be 626 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:05,570 in terms of what's produced. 627 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:07,730 So what's this line saying on the left-hand side? 628 00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:13,040 It's saying, if I put all my time into studying for exams, 629 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,960 I'll get 200 points on exams and 0 on problem sets. 630 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,140 If I spend all my time doing problem sets, 631 00:28:20,140 --> 00:28:22,780 I'll got 200 points of problem sets and 0 on exams, 632 00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:25,030 and some combinations in between. 633 00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:28,600 That is a production possibility frontier. 634 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,650 It shows the combination of output 635 00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:35,430 you get for any given fixed level of inputs. 636 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:38,870 Now, what is wrong with the graph on the left? 637 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:42,410 And why is the graph on the right a probably more realistic 638 00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:45,147 description of what your actual production possibility 639 00:28:45,147 --> 00:28:45,980 frontier looks like? 640 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,169 Yeah. 641 00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:53,711 AUDIENCE: You know, if you can get more points on the problem 642 00:28:53,711 --> 00:28:55,421 set, and you know more, you're probably more well prepared 643 00:28:55,421 --> 00:28:56,220 for the exam. 644 00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:57,137 JONATHAN GRUBER: Yeah. 645 00:28:57,137 --> 00:28:59,460 It's wrong because in fact, what this system 646 00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:03,110 features is something we call "economies of scope." 647 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:06,020 We talked about economies of scale a number of lectures ago, 648 00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:09,740 the notion that if you double inputs, you double output. 649 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:11,540 This is economies of scope, which 650 00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:15,090 is that by producing more than one thing at once, 651 00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:18,070 you may get better at both. 652 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:21,770 By studying for an exam, you get better at problem sets. 653 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:25,050 And by doing problem sets, you do better on the exam. 654 00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:28,070 So what that means is, doing some of both leads 655 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:33,360 to a better outcome than doing all of one or all the other. 656 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,510 You get a concave to the origin production 657 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:40,290 possibility frontier. 658 00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:41,780 A concave to the origin production 659 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,470 possibility frontier demonstrates 660 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:45,260 economies of scope. 661 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:47,913 Doing some of both is better than 662 00:29:47,913 --> 00:29:49,580 doing all of just one and all the other. 663 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:50,955 And that makes sense for you when 664 00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:52,280 doing problem sets and exams. 665 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,670 It makes sense you'd be better off doing some of both 666 00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:57,337 than devoting all your attention to just one and just the other. 667 00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:01,890 So that is a production possibility frontier. 668 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:05,350 Now, there can also be dis-economies of scope. 669 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:07,100 Another great example for MIT is that when 670 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,630 I was here as an undergrad, I came in as a tennis player. 671 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:11,120 And I was on the tennis team. 672 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,912 Now tennis was only in the fall and spring. 673 00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:14,240 In the winter, they had squash. 674 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,260 So I thought I'd play squash. 675 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,280 Well, it turns out that the key with tennis 676 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,480 is keeping your wrist firm, and the key with squash 677 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,370 is keeping your wrist flexible. 678 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:24,500 And by playing squash, I screwed up my tennis game, 679 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,630 and by playing tennis, I screwed up my squash game. 680 00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:30,090 So I had a dis-economy of scope. 681 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:33,480 I was worse off at both things by playing both, rather than 682 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,204 just playing one or the other. 683 00:30:36,204 --> 00:30:38,247 So there can be economies of scope, 684 00:30:38,247 --> 00:30:40,580 which is when doing both things make you better at both, 685 00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:43,010 and dis-economies of scope when doing both things 686 00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:45,200 make you worse at both. 687 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,960 And that's the nature of the shape of production 688 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,460 possibilities frontier. 689 00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:51,830 An economy of scope is when doing both 690 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:52,880 makes you better off. 691 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:59,270 A dis-economy of scope is when doing both makes you worse off. 692 00:30:59,270 --> 00:31:02,060 Questions about that? 693 00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:05,160 Now, I just introduced that tool because that tool 694 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,700 is going to be the fundamental modeling feature that 695 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,910 allows us to demonstrate why international trade is 696 00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:14,300 beneficial. 697 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,580 So now, we're going to take that tool 698 00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:19,760 and we're going to go and talk about the concept 699 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:28,000 of comparative advantage, which is 700 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,240 the core concept in international trade economics. 701 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,950 This is the core of how it all works. 702 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 Let's think of a particular example to understand this. 703 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,700 Let's take the US and Colombia and the rose market. 704 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,690 And as I said before, let's say it's expensive for the US-- 705 00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:48,880 and the Valentine's Day rose market. 706 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,250 It's expensive for the US to grow Valentine's Day roses. 707 00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:52,240 It's cheap in Colombia. 708 00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:59,930 On the other hand, let's compare roses to computers. 709 00:31:59,930 --> 00:32:01,858 Roses are cheap to produce in Colombia 710 00:32:01,858 --> 00:32:02,900 and expensive in America. 711 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:04,860 Computers are the opposite. 712 00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:07,130 We have giant factories, and skilled labor, 713 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:10,040 and giant machines that can quickly crank out computers. 714 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,480 In Colombia, they'd have to like assemble the computer by hand. 715 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,630 So it's a lot cheaper to produce a computer in the US 716 00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:19,370 than it is in Colombia. 717 00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:21,740 It's a lot cheaper to produce a rose in Colombia 718 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:25,020 than it is in the US. 719 00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,750 The way to think about this is through the lens 720 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:30,710 of opportunity cost. 721 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:34,040 What we're saying is the opportunity cost 722 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:40,612 of making a rose in terms of computers is higher in the US, 723 00:32:40,612 --> 00:32:43,070 In other words, the amount of computers you have to give up 724 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:45,800 to make a rose is high in the US, because computers are cheap 725 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,910 and roses are expensive. 726 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:51,440 The amount of roses you have to give up 727 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080 to make a computer in Colombia is higher, 728 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,790 because roses are cheap and computers are expensive. 729 00:32:56,790 --> 00:33:10,590 So we say that Colombia has a comparative advantage in roses. 730 00:33:10,590 --> 00:33:14,730 It is relatively cheap-- in a world of computers and roses, 731 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:17,280 it is relatively cheap for them to produce roses 732 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,870 compared to computers. 733 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:22,770 The opportunity costs in terms of forgone computers is lower. 734 00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:27,960 Whereas the US has a comparative advantage in computers. 735 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:38,340 It is comparatively cheaper for us to produce computers. 736 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:41,460 So international trade is all about what 737 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:43,913 you're relatively better at. 738 00:33:43,913 --> 00:33:45,830 Now, let me emphasize "relative" for a second. 739 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:47,510 This is an important concept. 740 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:49,200 The reason we don't just say "advantage" 741 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,290 and we say "comparative advantage" is it 742 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,590 doesn't actually matter if you're better. 743 00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:55,315 It matters if you're relatively better. 744 00:33:55,315 --> 00:33:55,940 Let me explain. 745 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:57,260 This is hard. 746 00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:59,863 I would say of the main economics concepts in the world 747 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:01,280 that we need people to understand, 748 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,560 this is one of the top three least understood concepts 749 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,642 in all the world in economics. 750 00:34:05,642 --> 00:34:07,100 [INAUDIBLE] it's like in our blood, 751 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,719 and we can't understand why regular people can't understand 752 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,219 it. 753 00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:10,820 It's because it's hard. 754 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:12,530 Let me give you an example. 755 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:14,712 Take me and LeBron James, and imagine 756 00:34:14,712 --> 00:34:16,670 there's two activities in life, mowing the lawn 757 00:34:16,670 --> 00:34:17,900 and playing basketball. 758 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:20,360 That's all life consists of. 759 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,980 Now, LeBron James is better than me at both playing basketball 760 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:27,219 and mowing the lawn. 761 00:34:27,219 --> 00:34:29,030 But he's much, much, much, much, much, 762 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:31,420 much better than me at basketball and only much 763 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:34,010 better than me at mowing the lawn. 764 00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:38,900 So LeBron James has an advantage in everything, both activities, 765 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:43,656 but he only has a comparative advantage in basketball. 766 00:34:43,656 --> 00:34:45,739 He only has a comparative advantage in basketball. 767 00:34:45,739 --> 00:34:48,560 The comparative advantage is about opportunity costs. 768 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,699 In other words, if LeBron James mows his lawn, 769 00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:55,760 the amount of basketball he's giving up is ungodly. 770 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,425 It's crazy to have to mow his lawn, 771 00:34:57,425 --> 00:34:59,300 given how much basketball he could've played. 772 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,467 If I mow my lawn, I'm not giving up much basketball, 773 00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:03,400 because I suck at basketball. 774 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,872 So I have a comparative advantage in lawn mowing. 775 00:35:05,872 --> 00:35:08,080 You say, you're not at lawn mowing than LeBron James. 776 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,100 I'm not. 777 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,650 But I have a comparative advantage in lawn mowing, 778 00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:15,268 because the opportunity cost to me is much lower. 779 00:35:15,268 --> 00:35:17,560 The opportunity cost to LeBron James of mowing his lawn 780 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,750 is high, because he could be playing basketball. 781 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:21,190 The opportunity cost to me is low, 782 00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:23,320 because I can't play basketball. 783 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,313 Yeah. 784 00:35:24,313 --> 00:35:25,730 AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] the only one 785 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:28,000 in the world that can mow lawns. 786 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,750 JONATHAN GRUBER: That's a weird edge case. 787 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:30,417 I won't do that. 788 00:35:30,417 --> 00:35:32,380 Then there'd be no reason for-- 789 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,630 that makes trade things hard. 790 00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:36,100 We can come back to that. 791 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,910 Now of course, the example doesn't stop there. 792 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:43,360 Should I mow my lawn? 793 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,290 No, I should not mow my lawn, because there 794 00:35:47,290 --> 00:35:52,720 is someone who doesn't have as much education as I, who 795 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,502 can't earn as much money than I at work. 796 00:35:55,502 --> 00:35:57,710 And they have a comparative advantage in lawn mowing. 797 00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:00,482 I have a comparative advantage in office work. 798 00:36:00,482 --> 00:36:01,940 So in fact, not only should I mow-- 799 00:36:01,940 --> 00:36:04,710 do I have comparative advantage over LeBron in lawn mowing, 800 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,290 but some less-educated guy has a competitive edge over me 801 00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:09,608 in lawn mowing. 802 00:36:09,608 --> 00:36:11,150 So just as LeBron would be better off 803 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:13,233 letting me mow his lawn and I'm better off letting 804 00:36:13,233 --> 00:36:15,040 him play basketball, I'm better off 805 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,170 letting some less-educated guy mow my lawn, and letting me go 806 00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:21,625 sit in front of my computer all day. 807 00:36:21,625 --> 00:36:23,250 Comparative advantage is all about what 808 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:26,210 you're relatively better at. 809 00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:30,740 And the key insight of international trade 810 00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:34,940 is that in a world of comparative advantage, 811 00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:38,770 people should always specialize. 812 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:40,960 In a world of comparative advantage, 813 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,083 people should always specialize. 814 00:36:43,083 --> 00:36:44,500 You should do what you're best at. 815 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,290 You should do what you're best at because otherwise, it's 816 00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:54,002 simply silly for LeBron to spend any time mowing his lawn. 817 00:36:54,002 --> 00:36:56,460 As much as my wife thinks I'm just trying to get out of it, 818 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,230 it's simply silly for me to spend any time mowing my lawn. 819 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:04,630 I have a comparative advantage sitting on my computer 820 00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:06,520 and doing that stuff, so I should hire 821 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,470 someone else to mow my lawn. 822 00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:15,367 So to actually see that, let's go to figure 18.3. 823 00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:16,784 This is a confusing figure, so I'm 824 00:37:16,784 --> 00:37:20,450 going to go through it slowly. 825 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:24,260 On the top, we have the US production possibilities 826 00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:24,980 frontier. 827 00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:27,020 And to make life easy, let's assume 828 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,300 that there's no economies of scope 829 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:30,850 between roses and computers. 830 00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:32,187 Makes sense there wouldn't be. 831 00:37:32,187 --> 00:37:34,270 Let's assume there's no economies or dis-economies 832 00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:35,437 between roses and computers. 833 00:37:35,437 --> 00:37:37,523 It's a linear production possibility frontier. 834 00:37:37,523 --> 00:37:40,190 So we're showing each graph as a production possibility frontier 835 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:41,630 between roses and computers. 836 00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:44,990 And we're assuming it's just linear, which makes sense. 837 00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:48,440 You don't make better computers by making roses and vice versa. 838 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,420 On the top, we have the US. 839 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:53,710 Let's say that the US's production possibility 840 00:37:53,710 --> 00:37:54,890 frontier is the following-- 841 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:57,680 given the resources we have in the US, 842 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,608 we can produce 2,000 computers or 1,000 boxes of roses, given 843 00:38:03,608 --> 00:38:05,400 our resources, our skill level, our capital 844 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,090 intensity, et cetera. 845 00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:10,230 Now go to Colombia. 846 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:14,040 Say that Colombia, given their skill level, resources, 847 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,570 the sunshine, the beautiful weather-- 848 00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:18,630 any Colombians here? 849 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:19,290 Sounds perfect. 850 00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:20,470 It's like 75 all the time. 851 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,240 They can make 2,000 roses and 1,000 computers, 852 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,590 or 1,000 computers, or some combination in between. 853 00:38:30,590 --> 00:38:32,875 So the first thing I want to make you guys understand 854 00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:35,000 is why these are sensible production possibility 855 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,278 frontiers for each country. 856 00:38:36,278 --> 00:38:38,320 They're sensible production possibility frontiers 857 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,810 because they basically show the US has a comparative advantage 858 00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:45,760 in computers. 859 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,950 That is, the trade-off in terms of roses 860 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:53,650 foregone to make a computer is lower in the US than Colombia. 861 00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:59,830 And Colombia has a comparative advantage in roses. 862 00:38:59,830 --> 00:39:02,200 The trade-off in terms of foregone computers 863 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,520 to make a rose is much lower in Colombia than in the US. 864 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,680 So comparative advantage is about opportunity cost. 865 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,830 Let me say it again-- 866 00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:11,350 the US has a comparative advantage 867 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:14,080 in computers because to make a computer, 868 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,510 we have to give up less roses than Colombia does. 869 00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:20,410 To make one computer, we give up half a box of roses. 870 00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:22,417 That's the slope of this line. 871 00:39:22,417 --> 00:39:23,875 Colombia, to make one computer, has 872 00:39:23,875 --> 00:39:26,790 to give up two boxes of roses. 873 00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:29,802 So we have a comparative advantage in computers. 874 00:39:29,802 --> 00:39:30,649 Yeah. 875 00:39:30,649 --> 00:39:32,232 AUDIENCE: Would it be possible to have 876 00:39:32,232 --> 00:39:34,128 comparative advantage in both? 877 00:39:34,128 --> 00:39:35,295 JONATHAN GRUBER: You cannot. 878 00:39:35,295 --> 00:39:36,510 That's the term "comparative." 879 00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:39,000 You can have an absolute-- in this simple two by two model. 880 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,610 You can have comparative advantage 881 00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:40,800 in multiple things in life. 882 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,690 From the simple model, you can have the absolute advantage 883 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:44,310 of both, but you can't have a comparative advantage in both. 884 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:45,390 That's absolutely right. 885 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:47,563 In this model, with two goods and two countries, 886 00:39:47,563 --> 00:39:49,230 each country has a comparative advantage 887 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,862 in one thing or the other. 888 00:39:50,862 --> 00:39:52,320 Or there could be weird edge cases, 889 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,870 but generally that's right. 890 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:56,110 So now, I did computers. 891 00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:58,020 Now let's flip and do roses. 892 00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:01,260 In roses, for the US to produce a box of roses, 893 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:04,360 they have to give up two computers. 894 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,310 For Colombia to produce a box of roses, 895 00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:08,140 they only give up half a computer, 896 00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:10,360 so they have a comparative advantage in roses. 897 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:15,720 People understand the setup here, these graphs on the left? 898 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:16,812 Yeah. 899 00:40:16,812 --> 00:40:18,420 AUDIENCE: Does the price of what you 900 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:22,530 can sell each unit for factor into what you actually produce? 901 00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:25,470 Because I can imagine that yes, maybe you 902 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:26,853 can produce more roses-- 903 00:40:26,853 --> 00:40:28,520 JONATHAN GRUBER: But they're worth less. 904 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,820 AUDIENCE: --more easily, but they-- you 905 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:32,010 can't sell a rose as much as you can [INAUDIBLE] 906 00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:32,220 JONATHAN GRUBER: Right. 907 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:34,320 So for right now, we're ignoring prices. 908 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,000 We'll come back to prices later, but for right now, 909 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,083 we're ignoring the prices. 910 00:40:37,083 --> 00:40:38,700 Right now, we're just sort of-- 911 00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,300 we're going to basically have prices come in later, 912 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,670 but for right now, we're doing prices. 913 00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:48,300 So now, let's imagine that tastes 914 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:52,450 are such that consumers in the US 915 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:55,510 want 1,000 computers and 500 boxes of roses. 916 00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:57,670 That's point C US. 917 00:40:57,670 --> 00:41:00,820 And consumers in Colombia want 500 computers 918 00:41:00,820 --> 00:41:02,020 and 1,000 box of roses. 919 00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:03,250 I just made this up. 920 00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:06,265 C US and C CO, I just made up tastes. 921 00:41:06,265 --> 00:41:08,890 I just said, let's just make it a case where people in Colombia 922 00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:11,650 like roses better, people in America like computers better. 923 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:14,740 And imagine we do not allow international trade. 924 00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:15,675 This is the best case. 925 00:41:15,675 --> 00:41:18,050 Actually, international trade would be even more valuable 926 00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:19,217 with a different assumption. 927 00:41:19,217 --> 00:41:21,970 I've made assumptions which make trade less valuable than it 928 00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:23,200 would otherwise be. 929 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,660 I said look, Colombia produces roses and people there 930 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:26,990 like roses. 931 00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:29,650 American produce computers and people there like computers, 932 00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:30,790 but not totally. 933 00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:32,260 Some US guy still wants some roses. 934 00:41:32,260 --> 00:41:34,650 Some Colombian guy still wants some computers. 935 00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:37,470 Now imagine we don't allow trade. 936 00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:38,880 What's the outcome? 937 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,900 Well, in the US, we will produce-- 938 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,800 like I said, we want 1,000 computers and 500 roses, 939 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,940 so we'll produce 1,000 computers and we'll 940 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:52,130 consume 1,000 computers. 941 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:53,630 So on the chart on the right, you've 942 00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:55,550 got production and consumption. 943 00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:57,460 For the US, we'll produce 1,000 computers, 944 00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:58,460 consume 1,000 computers. 945 00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:59,918 We have to consume what we produce. 946 00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:01,500 There is no trade. 947 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:03,720 And same with roses-- we'll produce 500, consume 500. 948 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:04,985 Colombia's the flip. 949 00:42:04,985 --> 00:42:08,580 So you end up in the world with 1,500 computers being produced 950 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:11,343 and consumed, and 1,500 roses being produced and consumed. 951 00:42:11,343 --> 00:42:14,010 Now, you might say that's silly, computers cost more than roses. 952 00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:15,093 We'll come back to prices. 953 00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:19,100 For now, we're leaving prices out of it. 954 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,710 The point is, given the tastes I've 955 00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:24,620 suggested with C US and C CO-- 956 00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:26,320 I just made those up-- 957 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,120 given those tastes, we'll end up in a situation where 958 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,100 every country just consumes what they produce, 959 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,183 because there's no trade, and the world as a whole 960 00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:39,080 will produce 1,500 boxes of roses, 1,500 computers. 961 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,620 Now let's say that we allow trade. 962 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:49,970 What trade does is introduce economies of scope. 963 00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:50,920 Why? 964 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,110 Because trade allows specialization. 965 00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:57,890 Flip to the next figure. 966 00:42:57,890 --> 00:43:01,130 The next figure is the figure for the world. 967 00:43:01,130 --> 00:43:05,590 Imagine the world only wanted computers. 968 00:43:05,590 --> 00:43:08,005 That's the point on the y-axis. 969 00:43:08,005 --> 00:43:09,880 Then the US would produce 2,000, and Colombia 970 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,713 would produce 1,000. 971 00:43:10,713 --> 00:43:12,650 We'd have 3,000. 972 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:15,140 Imagine the world only wanted roses, the flip side. 973 00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:17,300 We have 3,000. 974 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:21,230 But if the world wants both, you get more. 975 00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:22,130 Why? 976 00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:25,790 Why is it outward bending when you allow trade? 977 00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:28,430 This is not a technological change, change in technology. 978 00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:31,220 All we've done is take these two PPS 979 00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:32,780 and combine them and allow trade. 980 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:34,947 Why does that suddenly introduce economies of scope? 981 00:43:37,502 --> 00:43:38,960 Because what do countries get to do 982 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,310 compared to what they were doing before when 983 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:41,143 they couldn't trade? 984 00:43:41,143 --> 00:43:42,920 What do they get to do now? 985 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,820 AUDIENCE: Specialize. 986 00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:47,120 JONATHAN GRUBER: Specialize the US specializes in-- 987 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,790 and Colombia specializes in roses. 988 00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:52,820 By specializing, we can make more, 989 00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:55,140 because that's what we're good at. 990 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:59,700 So by trading, we allow specialization. 991 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,320 Without trading, we can't specialize, 992 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,570 because some guys in the US want roses. 993 00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:03,510 We've got to make some roses. 994 00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:04,440 But that's stupid. 995 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,750 We shouldn't make roses. 996 00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:08,130 We should let Colombia make roses. 997 00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:10,500 If LeBron can't hire anyone to mow his lawn, 998 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,790 he's going to mow his lawn. 999 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:13,050 That's stupid. 1000 00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:15,175 LeBron should hire someone to mow his lawn and play 1001 00:44:15,175 --> 00:44:16,730 basketball all the time. 1002 00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:21,500 By allowing trade, we allow people to specialize and take 1003 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,680 advantage of their comparative advantages. 1004 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,878 Without trade, you can't take advantage 1005 00:44:26,878 --> 00:44:27,920 of comparative advantage. 1006 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,510 Without trade, it doesn't matter if the US 1007 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:31,260 is better at producing computers or roses. 1008 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:34,960 What's produced is just determined by people's tastes. 1009 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,110 But with trade, you can specialize. 1010 00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:43,550 And that yields the outcome we discussed in figure 18.5. 1011 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:48,800 Figure 18.5 takes the previous figure, 18.3, and adds trade. 1012 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,030 So let me go through this. 1013 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:51,800 The basic, the blue, the PPFs are 1014 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080 the same on the left, same PPFs as before. 1015 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,720 And if you look at point CO and C US [INAUDIBLE] before, 1016 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,650 we could have 1,000 computers and 500 roses in the US 1017 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:06,800 or 1,000 roses and 500 computers in Colombia. 1018 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,680 But now suppose we allow trade. 1019 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,530 What happens now? 1020 00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:12,920 Well, what happens now is the US goes 1021 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,150 to producing only computers and Colombia 1022 00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:21,700 goes to producing only roses. 1023 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,080 Now let's assume, just to make life easy, 1024 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,467 let's just assume that people's tastes are proportional. 1025 00:45:26,467 --> 00:45:28,300 So if there's more computers and more roses, 1026 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:30,133 they just want proportionately more of each. 1027 00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:32,810 So the US, as there's more of both, 1028 00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:35,980 wants two computers for every rose. 1029 00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:37,990 And Colombia wants two roses for every computer. 1030 00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:40,010 That's just their tastes. 1031 00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:43,700 What happens now is we shift out to these new levels, C prime 1032 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,320 US and C prime Colombia. 1033 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,460 At the new levels, the US produces 2,000 computers. 1034 00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:53,850 All they do is computers. 1035 00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:57,240 Colombia produces 2,000 roses. 1036 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:01,270 The world as a whole ends up with more. 1037 00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:04,150 Flip back two pages and look at the table on the right. 1038 00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:06,430 The world as a whole ended up with 1,500 roses 1039 00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:08,610 and 1,500 computers. 1040 00:46:08,610 --> 00:46:12,550 Now the world as a whole ends up with 2,000 roses 1041 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:15,720 and 2,000 computers. 1042 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:16,800 What happened? 1043 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,730 Nothing changed technologically, same PPS here as before. 1044 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:23,550 All the change is by trading. 1045 00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:26,580 We allowed people to exploit their comparative advantage 1046 00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:28,440 through specialization. 1047 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,130 Without trading, the US was inefficiently producing roses 1048 00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:35,500 and Colombia was inefficiently producing computers. 1049 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,558 With trading, we've now opened up the possibility 1050 00:46:38,558 --> 00:46:40,600 that they can specialize in what they're good at. 1051 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,433 And the world as a whole ends up better off. 1052 00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:47,090 And look at both countries. 1053 00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:50,570 Both countries end up with more consumption. 1054 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:55,360 The US gets more computers, so flip back and forth 1055 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,030 between 18.3 and 18.5. 1056 00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:00,330 The US goes from 500 roses and 1,000 computers 1057 00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,450 to 750 roses and 1,250 computers. 1058 00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:08,940 Colombia goes from 1,000 roses and 500 computers 1059 00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,610 to 1,250 roses and 750 computers. 1060 00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:13,380 Now, the split between roses and computers 1061 00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:15,127 here is not determinate. 1062 00:47:15,127 --> 00:47:15,960 That's just made up. 1063 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,710 I made up what tastes look like. 1064 00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:22,020 The point C and C prime, that's just made up. 1065 00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:25,520 What you care about is the bottom panel. 1066 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,670 What you care about is fact that the world as a whole 1067 00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:31,620 now has more roses and more computers in it. 1068 00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:35,190 And that is the mechanics of why international trade expands 1069 00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,140 our production possibility frontier. 1070 00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:41,140 We have more goods in the world once we 1071 00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:43,233 can trade, not because-- 1072 00:47:43,233 --> 00:47:45,400 I mean, you still have the same, where Pikachu and-- 1073 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,442 when I allow trade between you and your friend, 1074 00:47:47,442 --> 00:47:48,900 that doesn't create any more goods. 1075 00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,580 You each have two cards. 1076 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:52,620 But in the real world, it creates trade, 1077 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:55,670 because the production allows people to specialize. 1078 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:57,280 And that's the beauty of trade. 1079 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,750 We'll come back next time and do a welfare analysis, 1080 00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:04,100 talking about why international trade makes people better off.